They are 416 Z's. Altec used them in sealed speaker systems. They are actually quite common.
I have a pair that came from Valencia cabs with the covers missing. I beleive these are circa early 1970s.....
I have seen many like this and I assume they came from the factory this way. Anyone know why?
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Aren't the covers simply aesthetic? Makes sense then that in a unit, where you're not likely to open the box...Originally Posted by robertbartsch
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The covers are cosmetic as Cal says. Since they are being sold in cabs, saves a few bucks to leave off things like labels and covers. VERY COMMON practice.
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Yes, it's most likely a 416-8Z. For example, here's a "naked" motor driver I happen to have:
Does yours look like this?
The "30767" gives it away as a 416-8Z, that and well, it's naked.
- Mike
Most likely a manifestation of the bean counters' increasing role, most definitely a cost cutting/profit enhancing measure that had virtually no effect on performance.
I agree with AB that the 416Z is probably the most common. As the OEM version of the 416A, it came in a LOT of speakers both home and theater(A7's) and was surely the first 15 inch woofer to omit it's "can". Many other "Z" models would follow. Some of the MI version motors actually got a coat of black paint and their numbers inked in silver/white.
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416Z is common but I think the MI 422z and 423z outnumber it. The 422z can recone as 416 if you find a blown pair cheap. Used to be able to find blown up PA sets and redo the horns and woofs. Generally scrapped the boxes, the xovers are usually low budget also.
Have seen lots of 414z also.
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My model 19's have 16" frame 416-8Z and they're stock as well.
It just struck me that an older valencia may have the 16 Ohm 416Z in there. And the part number on that would be 105281.
- Mike
Yes, 846A's were generally loaded with 416-16Z's. You may want to add Flamenco, Milano, Capistrano, 9845A monitor, A7(several variants), and A8 to that list.
Interestingly, when you get into the 8 ohm era, you can find those 416-8Z's in both 15 and 16 inch frames. The same can probably be said for 422-8Z's
Also, consider that for a period of time woofers that were purchased as raw drivers probably included the covers while they were omitted for OEM applications where the majority of users would never see the rear of the driver under normal circumstances.
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